The co-creator of Kubernetes, Joe Beda, has admitted that the container orchestration tool continues to be tricky to learn and that community efforts should focus on making the technology as “boring” as the Linux kernel to drive the next wave of industry adoption.

“Kubernetes is now the anchor for a broader ecosystem and ways of thinking about deploying and managing applications,” said Beda, in a recent virtual ask-me-anything session with BrightTalk. That’s a far cry from Kubernetes’s origin days. “We didn’t foresee that,” he admits.

Beda has two goals for Kubernetes now that it is a key technology for enterprise developers. One is to make Kubernetes as foundational as the Linux kernel, by becoming a stable, capable platform you can just count on.

The second is to build exciting new capabilities on top of that foundation. “People are building amazing things on [Kubernetes]. The features we do add will enable really interesting things, and there is already a slew of projects that build on and around and for Kubernetes,” he said.

Beda wrote one of the first commits for Kubernetes back in 2014 and is now a principal engineer at VMware, after a 10-year stint at Google. During the course of the conversation he confronted two other key questions facing the popular open source project.

Why is Istio separate from Kubernetes?

One really interesting question for Beda was why the open source service mesh Istio, which is commonly paired with Kubernetes and was also primarily built by Google engineers, has not been integrated more deeply with Kubernetes.

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